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I'm using a Canon i900D and I simply could NOT get a decent print out of Lightroom when I was consistently getting perfect color out of PSE5 and ACDSee fotoSlate. I had been using Canon Ink and paper and the driver that came with the printer on my XP system.



Though I had no reason to suspect my driver since it was performing well with other printing programs, out of desperation, I checked to see if my driver was up to date. I was a generation old,they had a driver specifically for Win XP. So I installed the new driver and that appeared to make all the advice everyone here has been giving to actually work.



In LR, I am manually setting the profile - PR1 for cannon glossy PR1 for Canon Photo Paper Glossy Plus with perceptual rendering intent. (I tried relative but preferred perceptual)



In the printer control program, The printer properties are set high print quality with manual color adjustment. On the manual color adjustment screen, color balance area, magenta is at -20 and intensity is -12 (I was having trouble with consistently too much magenta and too dark), other sliders are in the middle(i.e. set to zero). I have Enable ICM checked.



This gets me very close to what I see on the screen. Though it isn't absolutely perfect, it is close enough that it will work for my purposes.



My advice is even though you are 'absolutely certain' there is nothing wrong with your driver, double check. My apologies for thinking you guys were totally insane.



I still think LR printing is weird though. It just shouldn't be this hard to get a quickie print.
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Glen- from an only partially insane dweller in the San., now you've conquered that much, how bout turning off ''managed by printer'' and see what you can get.
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u should not have to work on your printer to get a descent result. after facing the same differences as all of us between lightroom and PSCS2, i decided to try it in a way that is in some way undoubtable.



i purchased a gretag macbeth eye one match 3 set for about 1000 EUR, and calibrated my macbook pro 2.33 with my printer i9950.



after getting the perfect print profile from the software i loaded it in lightroom and selected it in PSCS2.



no adjustments in the printer dialog, nor in lightroom or PSCS2 regarding the printer.



PSCS2 prints a perfect print. with perfect i mean perfect. beautiful black and white with strong blacks and great whites. color prints with perfect colors, exactly like i see them on my display.



lighgtroom, using the same printer profile, does not print the colors, like PSCS2.



u can see this clearly in BW prints, where the whites get a light green touch.



so the question is, if there is a way of treating the raw files (for example better preview rendering quality) to help lightroom reach the PSCS2 quality. perhaps lightroom is still weakly programmed in regard of color spaces conversion.



did anybody try already any raw treatment workarounds?



best regards



charalambos

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John McWilliams wrote, ''Glen- from an only partially insane dweller in the San., now you've conquered that much, how bout turning off ''managed by printer'' and see what you can get.''



John - I though that was what I was doing when I manually selected the profile for Canon Glossy Plus. Is there another location that needs tweaking? All the other things that I've found seem to take me to the Print Driver control program.

%26gt; In the printer control program, The printer properties are set high print quality with manual color adjustment. On the manual color adjustment screen, color balance area, magenta is at -20 and intensity is -12 (I was having trouble with consistently too much magenta and too dark), other sliders are in the middle(i.e. set to zero). I have Enable ICM checked.



This is what makes me think your print dialogue is coming up, and that unless everything is turned off, the image application isn't doing the color management.

Hmmm! I'm at a crossroads!



Do nothing and live in blissfull ignorance and live comfortably with the knowledge that maybe something is not right but 'right enough' for me. (But will it stay 'right enough'?)



Or dig in to this nightmare once more and settle it (If I can)



Why is LR so damn difficult to get a good print from? The joy is gone!

I don't think LR is difficult to get a good print from. ooops. I don't think LR is an application from which getting a good print is difficult. :)
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glen, I have a canon printer and am not having trouble with printing.

If you want LR to manage your color: this is what i recommend.



First of all, you have the wrong paper profile. For Glossy photo paper plus, the correct profile is SP1. PR1 is for Photo paper pro.



Then you want to set print quality to custom and use the highest quality available on your printer for the paper you are using. It is probably 1 or 2. Then set halftoning for diffusion.



Then set color for manual and color correction for none. If you do this, you shouldn't have to make adjustments for magenta etc. What you see is what you should get.



It sounds to me like your main problem is that you are using the wrong paper profile. This could cause serious problems for you and require you to make additional adjustments just to correct the flaws of using the wrong profile.



I hope this is helpful. By the way, I use a canon pro 9000. But I suspect our software is similar.



Andy

As others have said, make sure that LR is controlling the color management. It is possible to have good color management from the printer. But once you have the correct settings,LR color management should give you good prints every time. Your problem right now is that you are using the wrong paper profile. Very important.



BTW, LR has ok printing, but frankly I use qimage. It is a great program. Its cheap, it automatically does resampling that is better than photoshop and has much better sharpening than LR or photoshop. It also automatically sets the best ppi for your printer and remembers the settings. Check it out.



Andy

I think I have a fairly good grasp on color management and still can't get a good print using LR. I can get matching prints simply using Windows to send the file to the printer.



For me I think the problem is the printer. I have a consumer level Epson R340. It does not know how to hand control over to the software. No matter what I do it intervenes and changes the brightness and saturation. The only thing I can do is send a jpeg with sRGB embedded direct from Windows.



I have tried letting the printer manage colors, but the image ends up desaturated, much the same way a ProPhotoRGB image would get desaturated in a web browser (one that doesn't color manage).



I either need a new printer, which I can't afford right now, or I need to be able to tell LR that my printer doesn't understand anything but sRGB. Or I can keep outsourcing my print work. In the case of the latter, it would be nice to be able to output to a tiff or jpeg from the Print module.

yep, yes, yes sir!



printing is dificult on some machines.

I say LightRoom is in the dark!!



i was at the lightroom seminar yesterday in los angeles. i asked scott kirby how to correct this as i showed him the soft proof on my laptop, he said, ''i'm stumped, i just don't know what could be causing that''.



i do have atop rated color management team and all profiled up.



so it is a big issue



LR stinks right now, maybe v1.1

Now, then, what was the question? :)

when using color management in LR and selecting my custom prrofile that i use with PS, the images preview with a washed out magenta cast, they print like double ink is being layed down, very dark, very wet. draft mode and manage by printer work well, but thats not what I'm looking for.

Help?

How are you previewing the image such that it has a magenta cast?

The other thing to check is that your Profile is correct for paper and printer, and that the printer dialogue is set to not manage color.

i perview in the print dialog box.



in PS the custom profile is WYSIWYG.



Draft mode looks very close, i understand it uses thumb nail resolution and not run thru the color management.



thanks for you time, it would be nice to be a fan of LR.

Could you specify what you mean by your ''custom profile''?

What platform and OS?



You are correct about draft mode.

i perview in the printer dialog box.



i just loaded a few profiles in to profile section of LR.



when i preview them-



look good=sp2200 enhanced matte,EpsonLI printer, sp2200 standard matte.



look bad= sp2200 pre glossy 1440.icc, sp2200 pre glossy2880.icc



what i just discovered is that .icc profiles seem to be the problem..

Idon't know what the fuss is is about I get perfect prints with my Epson 2200 photo- vista and lightroom

Well, the fuss is that many people are not getting good prints from LR for a variety of reasons.

Tim Tim - if you are selecting the canned profiles from Epson, and make sure they are chosen in LR when you go to print, and you are choosing 'application managed' and you're sure you're not double profiling, and still getting dark, murky prints, what I did (and others too who have posted here) is try changing the SUFFIX of the .icc profile you are using (where it is stored) to '.icm'.

I don't know why that made a difference in my printing, but it DID. Perfect now. I have the HP Design Jet 90 and I was using canned profiles with no luck until I tried this. For some reason, LR may not have been recognizing these profiles. Another thing you might try is getting the LATEST profiles from Epson. Just a thought.

I reported this to Adobe but have no idea whether they consider this a problem or not.

yes that can help in some cases,



.icc profiles are for mac. and .icm are more PC. so i'am told.



My custom profile is not tagged like many epson profiles and adding .icm did not help LR recognise the profile.



so nothing has changed over here!



still crapy prints

I am getting crappy prints from LR on a mac using an HP 5550. Turned off [managed by printer] and the Profile shows a Stylus C82 only, my old Epson, Choosing ''other...'' doesn't show any more options than the old Epson. How do I add my HP printer to LR's Profile? The mac's dialogue box already shows it.