Is there a stacking feature in LR v1.0?

Like the stacking feature available in the Bridge beta to group similar photos.
Is there a stacking feature in LR v1.0?
Yes and it is awesome. Only works on images in a single folder, though, for V1.0. They don;t have to be related in anyotherway than in the same folder so you can use them for various reasons. Virtual copies of images are automatically stacked with the Original.



Don
Is there a stacking feature in LR v1.0?
Was stacks in the Beta? I could not find it.

Not in the public Beta, no.



Lee Jay

My reference to for v1.0 was to mean that maybe later stacks will be able to be applied across folders/collections.



Don

How will it select the picture that's in top of the stack? If I have a RAW file and a developed TIFF or JPEG file in the same folder will it automatically stack the two together (same shoot date/time) and select the last edited to be at the top of the stack???

If you have a raw file you can choose the Edit Photo command which will make a copy of the file (a psd by default) and open that in photoshop. You have the option to have this edit stacked with the raw file. The raw file will be on top of the stack - but you can move the edit to the top with a simple mouse click.



If you have a raw file in a folder together with a jpeg and only the extension differ - then the jpeg will be treated as a sidecar file and will only be used for the initial thumbnail in lr before lr has generated it's own thumbs. You can't se the actual jpeg in lr.

But if you move the raw, the jpeg on the disc will also be moved.

You do the stacks and the order in which you select determins the initial top image. You can reorder. Raw-Jpeg-DNG pairs out of the camera are auto stack. Creating a virtual copy adds it to a stack. You can always reorder/remove images (except virtual only by deleting) from a stack.



I believe an Edit PSD or TIFF from an edit in PSCS is auto-stacked by prefernce option.



Don

Andrea, you beat me by two minutes.



Don

I did not beat you, Don.

We compliment each others ;-)



A little more stacking info.



If you have a stack collapsed it has a badge showing the number of images in the stack.

Click on that badge and the stack is expanded (or collapsed).

Move the mouse over the images in the stack and you will get a badge on the image with ''2 of 3'' (for example).

Click on the ''2 of 3'' badge and that image will be moved to the top of the stack and the top image will be moved to the second position in the stack.



You also have an area on the first (and last) image of the stack there you can click to expand and collapse the stack.



You can press S to toggle expand/collapse.



You press Command+G to stack the selected images.

You press Shift+Command+G to unstack.



You have all the stacking options in the context menu by ctrl-clicking.



And you have an option to Auto-stack by capture time.



/Andreas %26lt;- Don, observe the S at the end of my name. Hey! I'm a guy you know! ;-)

Thank you for a lot of usefull information. Still my initial question is not answered.



I have a lot of pictures to import. In the folder I have a NEF file and a JPEG file converted with Nikon Capture. I hope it's possible to import and autostack this pictures and hopefully get the JPEG selected to be the top of the stack. Is that possible automatically with v 1.0?

I did answer that but maybe I didn't explain god enough, will try again.



If you shoot Raw+Jpeg and develop these with Nikon Capture, the two files will have identical names but different extensions, right?



2007-01-01_12-10-49.NEF

and

2007-01-01_12-10-49.JPEG



if this is the case you will not be able to ''see'' the jpeg in LR BUT it will be used for the initial thumbnail for the nef, until LR has rendered it's own thumbs.



And if you move the nef in lr, the jpeg will be moved to. It will be treated as a sidecar file.



So, no. It's not possible to do what you are after.



(Maybe you could do it by saving the jpeg and nef with different names and after the import use the Auto-stack by capture time command.)

Just so I am clear on what is being discussed here. If I shoot raw+jpeg (in my case Canon raw), and I import the images from the memory card using Lightroom, then:



Lightroom will import both the CR2 and JPG files.



Lightroom will show only the CR2 in the library, but the JPG will be there and will be used to create the thumbnail image.



If I delete or move the cr2, then Lightroom is smart enough to delete or move the jpg as well.



If I edit the CR2 in Lightroom, then the thumbnail will be replaced with another one created from the cr2 edits.



If I then send the edited cr2 to photoshop for more edits, I can save the result as a tiff or psd and it will be added to the ''stack'' for the original cr2.



I hope this is the way it works. Guess I will find out when my pre-order arrives.



Cheers

Paul

Paul, I will attempt to answer your queries:

Lightroom will import both the CR2 and JPG files.

YES



Lightroom will show only the CR2 in the library, but the JPG will be there and will be used to create the thumbnail image.

YES BUT ONLY UNTIL LR HAS ITS OWN PREVIEW EITHER BY BUILDING PREVIEW USING THE COMMAND OR IF YOU EDIT THEN IT OUGHT TO RENDER A PREVIEW.



If I delete or move the cr2, then Lightroom is smart enough to delete or move the jpg as well.

YES



If I edit the CR2 in Lightroom, then the thumbnail will be replaced with another one created from the cr2 edits.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS. LR BUILDS PREVIEWS NOT THUMBNAILS AND THEY CAN HAVE DIFFERING SIZES WHICH ARE USER SELECTABLE. THE JPEG WILL NOT BE REPLACED BUT LR WOULD KEEP ITS PRWVIEW IN IS DATABASE.



If I then send the edited cr2 to photoshop for more edits, I can save the result as a tiff or psd and it will be added to the ''stack'' for the original cr2.

YES I BELIEVE SO, BUT IT IS A USER OPTION.

This treatment of Raw+JPG has a bit of a gotcha. If you store your PSD or TIF derivatives in the same folder as your Raw files (lots of people do), then LR will import the Raw file and not import any files whose names are the same other than the file extensions. You will need to rename or move those derivatives.



John

Thanks guys. I think I will be happy enough the way it works. I am hoping to store the psd or tiffs in the same folder so I can use stacks. I am assuming that if I send an image to photoshop and then save it, then it will automatically be saved back to Lightroom as ''img_xxxx-edit.tiff'' as with the betas. Then I can stack it on the raw file. I hope I am understanding the concept of stacks.



Cheers

Paul

Paul



Using the edit suffix will work. It will also help if you ever move away from LR, a possibility you should always consider with any cataloguing system. But stick rigidly to your convention - the next time you edit a picture without going through LR, you'll get no sympathy here if you save to the same folder without the suffix and then ask why LR won't import the file.



If you include a unique number in your filenaming, you will not need stacks to gather all the images with that number - you can search for that file number. If you have the time and like the feature, stack them... too.



Hopefully Adobe will make it possible to stack files in different folders. It's not always that good an idea to save derivative files in the same folders as the raws.



john

I had not considered the issue with filenames and editing outside Lightroom.... definitely a trap for young players. I can see it the ''Lightroom won't import my tiff'' question being asked very frequently here once v1.0 is released. :) Thanks for the tip John.



Cheers

Paul

If you uncheck ''Ignore suspected duplicates'' in import will it still skip JPEG's with identical filenames to the RAW file?



If I instead rename my processed JPEG to filename_edit.jpg then I presume it gets imported. If you have LR v1.0 set up to autostack and this pictures have identical date and time to the RAW file - wich one is selected to show if you hide the stack?

i If you uncheck ''Ignore suspected duplicates'' in import will it still skip JPEG's with identical filenames to the RAW file?



Turns out, if you turn off the ''Ignore suspected duplicates'' and then try and import the JPEGs, it will reimport a second copy of the
other file... in my case, the PSDs. D'oh.